Monday, May 17, 2010

Survivor: The Sandra dilemma


I’ll be honest; I love Survivor. I realize that it may come with the same negative connotation that comes to my mind when I hear people talk about the latest developments on “Dancing with the Stars.” I don’t know how that is even a show, but that’s another topic. The “Heroes Vs. Villains” season just wrapped up last night on CBS. It was another great season filled with twists and turns with another disappointing ending, in my opinion. The 20th season (wow!) ended last night with Sandra winning the $1 million for the 2nd time. Sandra beat out Parvati and Russell in the final vote. Jeff only had to ready 8 votes, which I believe means that Sandra ended up with 6 of the 9 votes. Russell didn’t get a single vote despite getting to the final vote for the 2nd straight season. At the live reunion show, Russell claimed that there is a flaw in the show. To some extent, I agree with him.

The great thing about Survivor is that it is hard to argue against who ends up winning. There are always going to be those on the side of the contestant that doesn’t win that has reasons why their favorite contestant should have won. Many times those arguments do have validity and good reasons for them to feel that way. The problem is, the jury cannot get a vote wrong because- well, they’re the jury. They get to vote however they want to. There is no right or wrong way to vote. The game is set up so that those who are left on the panel get to decide who gets the money, and that’s what happened again last night. The majority of the panel wanted to give the money to Sandra.


The same thing that makes Survivor great also makes it insanely frustrating. Rarely does the person that plays the game “the best” win the $1 million. Now I realize that you can argue that the contestants who won should be considered the ones that played the game the best since they were, after all, the winners. But those of you who watch the show understand what I mean. There are some contestants that are just better at strategizing and have more control over getting themselves further in the game than others. Then there are others (ala Sandra) that get further along in the game because they are being used by the strong players for a vote. Sandra never was voted out because, well… she wasn’t a threat. She has won the game twice and has never won an individual immunity challenge. When her tribe needed to sit someone out for a challenge, they chose Sandra whenever possible. She single-handedly lost her tribe immunity challenges because she is such a liability. When it came down to forming alliances, she failed. She consistently made alliances that were voted out. She just happened to be at the bottom of the list when her alliance was being picked off one by one because, again, those doing the voting knew that she wasn’t a physical threat to them down the road and maybe they could even use her vote as time went on. Sandra failed at pretty much everything she did. She did find the last hidden immunity idol, but she didn’t even end up needing to play it. No one was scared of her.

Russell, on the other hand, is the best player I have seen at getting to the final vote. He is the best strategizer. He knows which people to pick for his alliance. He also knows when the best time is to cut ties with someone and form a new alliance. He’s the best at finding hidden immunity idols and then how and when to use them. He made a big play by giving his hidden immunity idol to Parvati at the right time to save her. He’s the best at manipulation. He knows what to say to those he knows he is voting out to make sure their vote goes where it will benefit him the most. When he finds out that someone is targeting him, he makes sure that that person is always the next person to be voted out if he feels like they are a threat. He was by far the best at getting himself to the final vote. Parvati wouldn’t have been there without Russell. Sandra wouldn’t have been there without Russell. But the same isn’t true about Russell. If Parvati wouldn’t have been on board with Russell from the beginning, she would have been gone long ago. He chose Parvati and protected her more than once. Sandra also had nothing to do with getting Russell where he was. Russell himself found a way to get to the end.

The problem for Russell is, the jury always holds a grudge. And that is where I think the closest thing to what could be considered a flaw lies. You would think that after 19 seasons of a game that the contestants would go into the game knowing that you have to lie and manipulate people to win this game. You have to. And to some extent, they do know that. They know this while they are playing and they all to some degree lie to someone, no matter how they want to justify it. For some reason though, most seem unable to distinguish between someone who lies to them in the game and that person’s character outside of the show. This is a game. This isn’t life or death. The game is that you are the last person standing at the end to win $1 million. Lives aren’t at stake if you lie or trick someone. All of those jury members who stand up and address the final 3 people lied and tried to manipulate the people who were in the final 3, they just weren’t as good at it in some cases. The funny thing is that Sandra herself on multiple occasions last night talked about how her strategy was to try and get rid of Russell many times during the game and never could. It was like she was confessing that Russell was too good at the game that she couldn’t convince anyone to vote him off no matter how hard she tried. And yet, she got 6 votes and Russell got none. Those who played with Parvati gave her the 3 votes. In essence, the Heroes did not vote for Sandra. They voted against Russell. And that’s their right, it’s just stupid.


You can tell that there is a disconnect between the viewers of the show and those that play the game. Two seasons in a row the fans voted that Russell was the player of the season while those who were beaten by him refused to vote to give him the million dollars. It was personal. They don’t like Russell. They feel like there is a code that he is breaking. What’s interesting is that there is an unwritten code that the other players feel like he should have adhered to while playing while Russell feels like there is an unwritten responsibility for them to use their votes to reward the person who played the best game. One of the contestants told Russell last night that you have to lie while playing the game but he took it too far. What? So now we’re distinguishing between what lies someone can tell? The point of the game is to get to the end and win. Why would you do anything less than to do whatever you can to win the million dollars? The purpose of the game isn’t to make friends or get people to like you. All those people that talk about giving their vote to someone because they seemed to really care about them are confused as to why they are there to play the game. It’s still their right to throw their vote away and give Sandra another million dollars for being bad at the game, but it’s just dumb.

The majority of people that watch the show on tv agree that Russell played the best game. Parvati did a great job too- she was almost impossible to beat towards the end in individual immunity challenges. I could have stomached her winning. But Sandra? Come on. What the contestants are saying is that we would rather give the money to someone that made their tribe worse off in team reward and immunity challenges, that constantly picked the wrong alliance to belong to, that was unable to vote off the only person she wanted to, that was unable to even contend in personal immunity challenges, and that regardless of how angry the Heroes were that Russell lied to them and voted them out- Sandra was right there writing their names down too—she’s the one you want to reward?

I’m waiting for the season where someone stands up at the end and says “I thought we were together but you tricked me and you’re sitting there with the chance to win the $1 million and I’m not, so you’re getting my vote because you were better at getting there than I was. You deserve to win the money because you got yourself there through hard work, strategy, and logic and you aren’t there because someone else didn’t mind you staying because you weren’t a factor in any capacity of the game except having a vote to help their cause. I may not like you as a friend in this game, but I realize that the purpose of this game is to win $1 million and you did everything you could to put yourself in that spot. I also realize that just because you played by a certain set of standards and rules in this game, it does not say anything about your character outside of this game in the real world.” If someone ever says anything along those lines, I will know that someone finally understands what it means to play Survivor.

Let’s be honest. Anyone could be a Sandra or a Courtney. There’s a million of them sitting at home with no real physical ability. And honestly, how many of us see Sandra or Courtney as someone we could be in the same room with for more than 10 minutes? It’s not like they won because they’re so gosh darn likeable.

Ultimately, you have to take into account how the winner is chosen. And you have to realize that people cannot get past being beaten and reward you for being the one to have knocked them out. If I were the show’s producer, I would seriously consider changing how the winner is chosen. I would think about giving the decision to those who watch the show. I think this would make for better tv in the long run. Think about it- aren’t the most exciting times of the show when someone makes a big play and switches alliances or blindsides another contestant? Those are the best moments that Survivor is known for. If the jury keeps rewarding those that never do anything big and are the least hated, you’re going to see less and less of those types of moves because no one wants to be the one that has offended anyone. We’ll have a bunch of sissy’s playing the game walking around asking each other what their best childhood memory is. Who cares about that? I want to see lying and betrayal! I want to see people voted off who were so sure they weren’t going home that night that they didn’t even play one of their two immunity idols! That’s why I watch the show. Don’t give the contestants motivation to play a safe game.

Who cares if you like Russell? He won what the game was set up to be. Sandra getting those votes from the jury proves that Russell was successful in the game itself. No one on that jury can honestly say that Sandra was the best player. Do you think anyone on the jury would actually say that Sandra played a better game than they did? No way. She made it further in the game because those who were voted out before her were better players. Sandra made the claim last night that being awful at the challenges was a strategy. No it isn’t or she wouldn’t have even tried, though at times I think it’d be hard to tell.

The point is this: Sandra winning for the 2nd time is a kick in the crotch to those who watch this show. It’s a byproduct of giving the jury the power to pick the winner. I understand the ramifications and the fact that the players need to take that into account while playing. I’m afraid that it’s going to ruin the entertainment value of the show eventually when players start figuring out what Russell has exploited: You can’t be the best at getting to the end and win it at the same time. Russell is right- this is a flaw. As much as it is a part of the game that the jury decides the winner, it is too contrary to the game that you are trying to promote. Change it. Give the power to the people- isn’t that one of the reasons that shows like Dancing with the Stars and American Idol have so much success? How about flipping what is done now and let the jury have a $100,000 vote for their “player of the season” and letting the people decide who should have won the game? I think that way would be less wrong… and isn’t that how things are decided on Survivor?

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Way to go!
I couldn't have said it better!! Sandra didn't deserve to win at all. It is called Survivor for a reason!! Of the 3 this time, Parvati should have won. Last season, it should have been Russell.
I think they need to go back to not having so many rewards. In Australia, they were in the middle of no where. No coconut trees in the middle of the Outback to eat from. The producers need to step it up. And the Jury needs to realize that they got outwitted and grow up! Give the money to the one who deserves it, not the one who doesn't just because you were voted off by probably the best Survivor ever. Em

Stacy said...

Wow! But, I actually very much disagree with you John Mark. I too did not think Sandra was the most strategic but I do think she deserved to win. I do not think Russell should have won at all. I actually think ultimately it was Parvati that should have won.
The fact is there are several facets to this game. One part is the strategic play. Russell does in fact excel at this part of the game. He is playing the game like it has never been played. Parvati also plays an excellent strategic game. I think she did use Russell and I think he could have been gone had he not aligned with her. She was smart to not openly oppose him even when she wanted to (when Danielle was kicked off). Her strategy was to use him. She made several bold moves without Russell or with him but they were her idea. Sandra’s strategic game wasn’t as strong but she did have one. She knew when to keep her mouth shut. When to stay out of the way. Which like it or not is a strategy. She said many times “No one is going for me right now so I am just staying out of the way. I don’t really care who goes home this week as long as it isn’t me.” I think that is very smart. Act like you don’t care. Act like you aren’t really playing but simultaneously manipulate the situation to help yourself. She is the reason Coach went when he did.

Stacy said...

I wrote too much!!! Sorry. :)

Stacy said...

Fact is, if you don’t play the social game you may not get the votes. No matter how good your strategy is. And if you just play the social game but don’t have much strategy you may not get the votes. This is what I love about Survivor. It isn’t just about who is the most physical. Or who strategizes the best. It is about combining all three components and therefore playing the best game.

Russell did not deserve to win. He had almost no social game. It wasn’t about bruised egos or grudges (well maybe a little). I think several past Survivors have said they were rewarding the person they felt played the better game, the same person that got rid of them, just not with Russell. Because it was about Russell letting go of the pride and playing the best all around game. He didn’t. Therefore he is not the best to play the game. He is one of the best at strategy but like Boston Rob said, Russell was in it to get to the end, not to win. And that is what he did.

Stacy said...

The second part is the Physical game. I actually don’t think this plays as big of a part in the end. Yes, it can change the game up so it is very important but I think the strategic and social games end up deciding the winner. Not the physical. You can win most challenges in your season (Colby) and still lose or you can lose every single challenge (Sandra) and win. Having immunity definitely helps but excellent players make it to the end all of the time without it.

And last is the social game. Here is where I think you are way off John Mark. The social game is SO important. And that is where Russell failed two seasons in a row. It is a major part of the game. Not how you mentioned it above. It isn’t about asking them personal questions about their life or making best friends with people. It is about humbling yourself in the moment and showing some respect. It is manipulating the game to help you. Here is where the tide turns. Sandra is awesome at this part of the game. Watch the final tribal again and see how all three answered their questions. Sandra was well spoken but not prideful. Parvati does pretty well at this as well. She can make a decision that hurts someone but then can say “I had to do it. I had no choice” Russell is TERRIBLE at this aspect of the game. He just doesn’t get it at all. It isn’t about him making friends with the others. It is about putting his pride aside for a little while and stroking the egos of others. He just couldn’t do it. Richard Hatch lied, manipulated and played an excellent strategic game but still won. Why?? Because he was able to give some credit to others even if that isn’t how he felt. Russell just couldn’t do it. He insisted that it was all him. No one helped him. He did it all by himself. The only time he slightly offered another praise was when he said Parvati should have won. But as we saw after that he didn’t really think that. I think had he said to Coach” You were just too big of a threat. I hated to get rid of you because you are such a noble guy but I had to because I knew you would beat me.” I think Coach would have felt like such a man and may have given him his vote.

Eli Sawatsky said...

I only watched one of the shows this season but what John Mark is saying is similar to in sports where someone says "Well my team got X guys on base and yours only got Y and you still won". Well guess what the game isn't decided by that, it's decided by runs so maybe you should change your strategy so instead of getting a bunch of guys on base and leaving there you actually get them home.

John Mark said...

I understand what you're saying. But the fact is, Russell is most honest at the end of the game. When he was answering those questions, he was being completely truthful. And maybe that's his downfall. Sandra and Parvati were still doing whatever they could to suck up to the jury. Russell doesn't care about that. He was sitting up there hoping the jury would acknowledge that he played the best and he should be rewarded for it. Unfortunately for him, the jury won't vote for you if they don't like you. It's become too much of an reverse popularity contest. Why did Sandra get votes? Courntey voted for her because she liked her, but why did they get along? Because they were both outcasts that no one else liked or was siding with at the time. Why did Rupert vote for Sandra? Because Russell lied and voted him out and he felt like the heroes should thank Sandra for her effort to vote Russell out (which failed). Why did the rest of the heroes vote for Sandra? Because they hated Russell and didn't like Parvati either. The fact is, they got beat. Plain and simple. But the person they were beat by they would not allow to win. And that's the unfortunate part.

I could see your point a little more if anyone had said they were voting for Sandra because of how she had played the game or even hinted at how she used her social game and her strategy of flying below the radar to her advantage. But besides for Courtney, they really didn't. I don't think anyone voted for Sandra for any reason other than she was the one they wanted to lose the least.

John Mark said...

Eli-

You're right. That's why I think if they changed how the game is decided it would be a better representation of the point of the game. It's a hard analogy when comparing team sports/games with individual sports/games, but it'd kind of be like in tennis if at the end of a tournament the winner was decided by a vote by all those who had been eliminated rather by it being decided by a winner of the final match where the superior player would come out on top.

Stacy said...

I really don't understand that train of thought. Change the game?? How often do they change the rules in baseball? Just because the player YOU think played the best didn't win doesn't mean you change the rules so he does. That isn't how it works. This is how it has been played for 20 seasons! Russell should know what it takes. He just chose to play a different way. It didn't work out for him.

I do not think it should be left up to the fans. The game would be completely different!! What I love about survivor is that it is a sort of experiment. Let's throw people on an island and make them fend for themselves. Make them vote someone off and then those people pick a winner.

If those players knew America got a vote they would be so different.

Sorry John Mark...your guy didn't win. Deal with it. Hahahaha.

Unknown said...

I agree with everything you said up until the part about changing how the game is played. The producers would have too much control over who wins because they could easily manipulate what the audience sees. How many times before have you heard of players getting a good edit or a bad edit?

In fact, I think Russell got a good edit. Because he made bold moves he was made to look more likeable so the audience would root for him. But I'm sure he did or said a lot worse than was showed on TV. And as much as I hate that the jury was so spiteful, it's hard to blame them for not wanting Russell to win. The way he treated them went beyond the confines of the game. There's a huge difference between being backstabbing someone and being mean to them. They hated him so much that they could not bring themselves to vote for him.

It's easy to criticize the jury for not being able to look just at gameplay, but I think if you were in their shoes you'd have a better understanding. I play games similar to Big Brother and Survivor on a site called Tengaged (www.tengaged.com). There are no jury votes, but you make alliances and vote people out. Well I've gotten into such flame wars with people that even if they went to the end there was no way I'd vote for them because they crossed that line between good game play and being an asshole.

And that's where I agree with Stacy. Social play is a huge part of the game. As great as Russell was strategically, he was a HORRIBLE social player. With that said, the jury still screwed up and was wrong in voting for Sandra. Parvati clearly played the best overall game. I think the jury (Heroes) only voted for Sandra because she was at least willing to help them win. I guess what I'm saying is they shouldn't have hated Parvati so much as not to vote for her game play. They just liked Sandra better which is a terrible reasoning. Interesting enough all the Heroes voted for Sandra and all the Villains except Courtney voted for Parvati.

John Mark said...

That's a great point Adam. But with that in mind, can you say for sure that Parvati played the best overall game we only saw small glimpses of anything outside of the challenges? Maybe Sandra was an incredible strategizer and played a great social game and it just wasn't edited that way.

I doubt it...

Unknown said...

LOL! I highly doubt Sandra was an incredible strategizer and played a great social game too! There's only so much the producers can manipulate. The one thing I can give her was she at least tried to play the game and use strategy. She tried to make bold moves and make things happen. But you were right in everything you said about her winning. Even though she tried to make some moves, the only reason she made it to the end was because Russell wanted her to come to the end. Russell and Parvati single handily decided who was leaving every time. They controlled the game! So I wouldn't have been made if either of them had won. The only move you could say that panned out for Sandra was perhaps manipulating Russell to have Coach voted out.

And don't get me wrong, I was rooting for Russell to win this season as well as last season. By far the best strategic player in the history of Survivor. I'm not sure you saw this interview with Russell and Parvati with EW. It's a little cheesy, but Russell finally admits his weakness. He is "too cocky!" He said he knew he was supposed to stroke the ego's of the jury at final tribal, but just couldn't do it because his ego was too big. That in the end is why I thought Parvati played the best game overall.

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Unknown said...

I'm not the only one. Jeff Probst's blog just call put up on EW. http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/18/jeff-probst-survivor-heroes-villains-finale/
He also thinks Parvati should have won. I found it very interesting what he said about Russell:


I feel for Russell. I do not believe he is aware of how out of balance his life is right now. He is still stuck in “the game” and it was uncomfortable for me to watch him squirm so much last night and scream so loudly for respect. He doesn’t need to ask for respect. He has won the Sprint Player of the Game two times. He has also proven to be extremely good at getting to the end by being a great strategist and intimidator. There is no question that Russell is an excellent player of Survivor.

But my opinion of Russell changed when he admitted to Boston Rob that he did not play to win. You can’t be the best if you’re not playing to win. He can hoop and holler all he wants about “America choosing” but that’s not this game. This game is about convincing a jury of your peers that you are the most deserving person. He didn’t do that. But my problem is not that he didn’t accomplish that goal, it’s that it wasn’t his goal in the first place.

Boston Rob plays to win. The fact that he hasn’t won doesn’t change the fact that he plays to win. It’s a philosophical approach to the game and if Russell truly doesn’t play to win then he has no claim to greatest player.

Here’s the rub… I am not convinced Russell truly feels that way. Stay with me. I think Russell did play to win. 100%. I think he just misjudged and didn’t fully understand the game well enough to achieve his goal. So now he is changing history. I believe that last night he was scrambling to make sense, scrambling to defend, scrambling to justify another loss, so he decided that all he ever wanted to do was get to the end.



Russell kept saying he didn't regret any of his decisions because it got him to the end. But, obviously just getting to the end wasn't enough. He needed to play to win. Incidentally enough, I just think if he was nice along the way it would have been enough. But two seasons in a row, with no preconceived knowledge of him, and even though his game play dominated, his social game was so bad, and pissed the jury off so much, that it was enough to make him lose. He got two votes in Samoa, none this time.

So the issue is do we let America vote. Well not sure if you remember how season 1 of Big Brother went, but that was a disaster. Like it or not, Survivor the game is about getting your peers to vote you the winner. The game can't be flawed because the game is the game! Only game play can be flawed. Part of that is knowing the players on the jury. Russell should have been able to tell that the jury would be spiteful and adapted his game play to get their votes. His game play was flawed and he lost because of it. This frustrated him and as Jeff Probst wrote that if he didn't change his game "he is doomed to be frustrated by this game and continue to make silly suggestions like “let America vote.”

But you and Russell are definitely right. You'd think that with a group of players who have played the game already they'd understand you have to lie and backstab and vote solely on strategy. It'd be nice to see a jury do that, haven't seen one in a while. But it can happen. If you don't believe me, watch the 2nd season of Big Brother.

Anyhow, no one probably read this, but it was fun writing it! :)

John Mark said...

i agree with what you said. again, i just find it interesting that there is always such a gap between who the audience thinks should win vs. who the jury actually votes for. how the show is edited can have a lot to do with it, but i still think the majority of the reason is because the most dominant players end up burning the most bridges while the "weaker" players who make it the furthest will usually get the most votes from the jury. i don't know what the best solution is, i just don't like that. i just feel like there have been too many contestants rewarded for simply not being their opponent.

Unknown said...

I agree with you for the most part, but the reason there is that gap is because Russell didn't do any of those hateful things to the audience. He didn't make us hate him to the point that we refuse to award him with a million dollars. And unfortunately in this case I think Parvati got lumped in with Russell and hated almost as much.

But does the jury really not work or has the burn of the last two seasons made us forgetful of the show. How many other players "shouldn't have won." Let's go back season by season:

20: Sandra beat Russell/Parvati NOT DESERVED
19: Natalie beat Russell/Mick NOT DESERVED
18: JT beat Stephen. DESERVED
17: Bob beat Susie/Sugar DESERVED
16: Parvati beat Amanda DESERVED
15: Todd beat Courtney/Amanda DESERVED
14: Earl beat Cassandra/Dreamz DESERVED
13: Yul beat Ozzy/Becky DESERVED
12: Aras beat Danielle DESERVED (even thought Terry got robbed at final immunity)
11: Danni beat Stephenie DESERVED
10: Tom beat Katie DESERVED
9: Chris beat Twila DESERVED
8: Amber beat Boston Rob: NOT DESERVED
7: Sandra beat Lilly: DESERVED (although very weak final 2)
6: Brian beat Clay: DESERVED
5: Jenna beat Matt: DESERVED (even though Rob Cesternino got screwed)
4: Vecepia beat Neleh: TOSS-UP (4-3 vote though)
3: Ethan beat Kim: DESERVED
2: Tina beat Colby: TOSS-UP (Colby should have taken Keith)
1: Richard beat Kelly: DESERVED

So when you look back, only the 1st all star season when Boston Rob should have won and the last two seasons when Russell lost are the two seasons where we had a clear, non-deserving winner. That really leads me to believe that Russell was just that despicable of player to have two separate juries not want to award him with the title even though he played a phenomenal game.

So in summary, I really don't think we have a problem of the jury voting emotionally, I think Russell was just that terrible at the social aspect of the game.

John Mark said...

i honestly don't even remember half of those people, so... you win!

Stacy said...

Nice work Adam!!! You are so right and John Mark conceded. I am a happy girl.